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Independence requires top quality politicians; and we do not have any

The Write Factor: I'd be really interested in independence, says David Coyle, if there was the slightest chance of anyone half competent coming forward to run the place.

David Coyle

By David Coyle

30 November 2009 14:51 PM

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Independence requires top quality politicians; and we do not have any

Do you really want Independence for Scotland? I’ve mulled the idea over for years now, and I’m now coming to the conclusion, “No, not really.”

It’s no great surprise that Alex Salmond chose St Andrew’s day to make his latest pitch for a referendum. Say what you like about Wee Eck, he knows how to harness the public mood, hitch a ride on the latest bandwagon and get his coupon on the TV and in the papers. But the trouble is the SNP, in office or opposition, often looks like a One Man Show.

Let’s be honest, Scottish politics isn’t exactly blessed with hundreds of youthful politicians brimming with ideas, engaging with the public and coming up with policies for a brighter tomorrow. The ones that are any good usually have their heads turned by the bright lights of London and would be quite happy being an under parliamentary aide to the junior minister for fish on bicycles if it meant they could have a billet in Westminster. That’s where the action is for these young guns, you see.

It’s not a problem for the SNP alone. While Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon can put up a good show in Holyrood, they aren’t exactly facing a terrifying challenge from the opposite benches – which in the interests of consensus politics are in a horseshoe shape. Come on, guys, we really want to see politicians verbally ripping each to shreds, not standing up to say: “No, go on, you have the last custard cream...I insist.”

Let’s take Labour, led by the aptly named Iain Gray. Filleted so often by Salmond at First Minister’s Questions that the two of them should open a fishmongers.

Meanwhile, the Tories – yes they do still exist in Scotland – have the redoubtable Annabel Goldie as their figurehead. Don’t know about you but I always imagine as the ladies’ captain of a bowling club. A nice bowling club, mind you, none of your riff-raff, and yes I will have another wee whisky and soda.

Then we come to the Lib Dems. Try as I might, I can’t quite put my finger on who their leader is. Tall ginger bloke I think, and even Google keeps asking if I mean Travis M Scott, director of environmental studies at the University of Kalamazoo. I suppose that’s what you get for giving up the ministerial cars.

We had some interest when Tommy Sheridan was in Holyrood. A proper firebrand, a radical in the mould of John MacLean, a man of the people who did time for his beliefs. But then the brothers and the sisters turned on Tommy, hoping that they could steal a bit of his thunder and chisel out a wee piece of fame for themselves. Political crimes of the decade that one.

If Independence does happen, I’ve got a feeling that Scotland will be left with a “rump” Parliament, populated by wannabes who see it as a stepping stone to quango heaven, or never weres who couldn’t hack it in real life.

So vote carefully – or better still, put yourself forward if you think you can do better. Could you really be any worse?

David Coyle is a finalist in stv.tv's The Write Factor competition. The views expressed are not necessarily those of STV plc. If you would like to read more from this writer, use our comment system below.

Last updated: 30 November 2009, 16:07

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    1. 30 Nov 2009 18:26twists n turns said

    David, you say,

    "So vote carefully – or better still, put yourself forward if you think you can do better. Could you really be any worse?"

    Well, Albert Einstein did say many years ago;

    "It is the duty of every citizen according to his best capacities to give validity to his convictions in political affairs".

    However, more recently, Eugene McCarthy said;

    "Being in politics is like being a football coach. You have to be smart enough to understand the game, and dumb enough to think it's important".

    I think I like Eugene's perspective on it better!

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    2. 30 Nov 2009 18:34Butchthejag said

    Aye I take your point they might be shxte but at least they will be our shxte! Much rather that than hundreds of lemmings voting for something we don't want or need ( eeh Trident that great deterent for sucide bombers) .....just because the party says so.

    I don't agree with Eck on lots of things but who else has the balls to stick up for us.... precious few and they are all deid!

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    3. 30 Nov 2009 18:49Gordon_J said

    Only 25% of Scots actually want a referendum. There are far more important issues on the agenda right now that Salmond's desire to be President of an independent country.

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    4. 30 Nov 2009 19:14stephen67 said

    My opinion is that the Scottish Government is just another expence for the tax payer..waste of time and money, if we don't get a vote for full independence what is the point? what life changing decisions can they make?

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    5. 30 Nov 2009 20:27GL2 said

    We need a referundum on this.

    Why would any politician be against giving us a vote on it?

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    6. 30 Nov 2009 21:03TinyTim said

    I don't trust politicians,where ever they are based.

    The Scottish parliament is fine in theory,until you look at the actual self serving individuals who take the seats.

    Self interest is what is at stake ,not self determination.

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    7. 30 Nov 2009 21:23MWD said

    Is the whole point of a referendum not to allow the people of the country decide for themselves which way they want the nation to take. That being the case let it happen and see were it takes us.

    Do we stay with Rule Brittania or take the Braveheart route.

    2 questions.

    1. Independance?

    2. United Kingdom?

    Majority victory and lets bury this one once and for all.

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    8. 30 Nov 2009 21:54Paul67 said

    GL2, a referendum is a non-issue. Only have one if popular support exists for it and if popular support exists for the issue itself, neither exists in this instance, so this is political grandstanding.

    Salmond is a gifted politician and he is doing better than I ever expected, but the overwhelming majority of Scottish voters vote with their heads not their hearts.

    It's practical issues that matter; will politicians in Edinburgh come to wiser decisions than those in London? Will they offer cheaper, more efficient administration, or will international politic-ing add to the tax bill?

    Does fleet-of-foot smallness consistently beat large-country political might at building GDP?

    None of these answers are clear (distrust anyone who tells you otherwise), so people will not vote as though they are.

    Sadly for Alex, he is well short of evidence to back his key issue.

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    9. 30 Nov 2009 22:09SFTB said

    I don't agree with the basic premise that Scottish politicians are poorer than politicians elsewhere. That's just part of the Scottish cringe, "I kent his faither" outlook that sees us overrate others and downgrade our own.

    Alex Salmond is a forceful politician on the UK stage; Ian Gray, far from being regularly filleted, has managed to land a few blows in his short time as opposition leader; Annabel Goldie attended the anti-fascist rally in Glasgow when the BNP came to town and spoke warmly of her reasons for doing so; and Tavish Scott forensically dissected the waste of £10 million on this needless referendum diversion.

    There is a referendum on independence everytime there is a general election. The SNP stand for an independent Scotland; vote for them in sufficient numbers and independence will be given. We don't need a referendum to propose more of a halfway house because all parties are loosely in favour of increased powers, anyway.

    I suspect the SNP fear a Quebec situation where the demand for Independence correlated negatively with experience of the Parti Quebecois being in power. Still the SNP are government and they get to choose how to waste our money. A needless vote is better than renewing Trident. If only they could take a sensible line on nuclear energy at the same time but that's maybe not populist enough.

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    10. 30 Nov 2009 23:04BlantyreKev said

    I think it's about a timing issue which dawned in the minds of the SNP hierarchy a few years ago.

    The referendum was part of the manifesto but not on the first tranche of bills post election victory. Why? Well the political road ahead nationally was at that point clear, another general election would have to be had in 2010 and the likelihood following Blair's departure and the Iraq scandal has been pretty clear - that we'll have a Tory Government.

    The SNP came to power, albeit minority, on the back of Labour voters' protest at the Iraq war. The next time we will all be revolting, apart from a Sunday morning after a good night out, will be the days, weeks and months after the General Election where we are once again, as a generally Socialist country, subject to a Tory government that we as Scots will not have voted for.

    This is when the SNP will hold the referendum if they can. It looks unlikely they'll get the bill through, but you just never know, they'll sell their souls for it to the Lib Dems because it will be at least a generation if not more before the politiccal stars align so well for an Independance movement.

    What I think is interesting in all of this is the REAL independence movement, and that's the independent movement that Alex Salmonds eybrows seem to have from the rest of his face!

    Alba gu brath

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    11. 01 Dec 2009 01:14SFTB said

    What happened to my post?

    Did I break a rule?

    I blame the usual scapegoats.

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    12. 01 Dec 2009 01:18SFTB said

    Oops, It's reappeared again.

    Pity! Paranoia can be a comfort to you in these times.

    Maybe you could delete some of my posts so that I can feel comfortably persecuted again.

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    13. 01 Dec 2009 08:35Turratim said

    The whole premise for a Scotland that will be self-financing is based on the oil revenue coming to Edinburgh. My understanding of maritime boundaries is that the line is drawn at right angles to the coastline at the exact point the border reaches this coast. When you do this at the Scotland - England east coast border point, the line runs roughly north-east, and cuts out most of the Central North Sea hydrocarbon basin.

    The SNP count on the maritime border being drawn directly east from the border / coast meeting point.

    This wouldn't happen, and therefore a large amount of the oil will be staying with London. Prepare for increased taxes, it is the only way that the SNP can make ends meet.

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    14. 01 Dec 2009 17:45lolh54 said

    OK .. here I go being the oldie again, way back in the seventies we were strong for the SNP, I was among the voters in Morayshire who voted out long time Tory Gordon Campbell who was .. what was he, but we wanted SNP then but over time it's become diluted and its time to put-up or shut-up. Have the referendum and make it compulsory, then we can put this issue to bed once and for all. .... dont you get tired of it all?

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    15. 01 Dec 2009 19:41Red Clydesider said

    David Coyle, former Features Editor of the Daily Record now pops up on the STV website to attack independence. There's a surprise. And more shock, horror - he repeats the lies of the Daily Record's golden boy, Tommy Sheridan, that he was the victim of jealous SSP colleagues. This myth was blown out of the water long ago - which is why Mr Sheridan has been indicted for perjury and attempting to pervert the course of justice. Shame on the STV for allowing an experienced journalist to recycle this discredited smear.

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    16. 01 Dec 2009 20:38fritzsong said

    This whole Scottish project has been a theatre of the absurd since its inception. Devolution, in its present incarnation, was conceived by Donald Dewar who somehow sold it to a sceptical Blair.

    The ageing Dewar's vainglory drew him to one expensive folly after another. There was, of course, the spectacularly unnecessary Hampden debacle but Holyrood remains his piece de resistance.

    Holyrood is now a kind of museum where the exhibits are ex-town councillors. They pass few bills; they rarely meet; their hours are short. It is eminently possible to become a Scottish Government Minister without ever having won a single election locally or nationally - Ross Finnie did just that. List MSPs are responsible to no-one nor were elelected by anyone.

    Fat Salmond and henchperson, madcap Nicola of the lower fourth debating team, must love it. They are getting to play at being Prime Ministers and Deputy Prime Ministers.

    And who was it that dreamt up the procedures at Holyrood? They seem designed specifically to mask Ministerial inedaquecies. There is none of the cut and thrust of Westminster. Ministers get up and do their wee set piece speeches; this is followed up by counterfeit outrage from the floor; then they all go home and have their tea.

    In Westminster, someone so palpably out of her depth as Fiona Hyslop would have been forced to spend more time with her family. Shame for the family.

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    17. 01 Dec 2009 20:54modernityscotland said

    David

    Some real evidence of Scottish cringe on show here. Talking Scotland down is dead easy.

    Yes, there are some big beasts at Westminster; Vince Cable for one and Cameron's good at the despatch box (whatever you think of his policies) but, er, that's about that. That gives me 2 out of 646 by my maths. I know I'm a bit unfair, there are some good others ones, Chris Mullen, for example, most MPs represent safe seats where you can stand the proverbial red/blue donkey and they'll get in on a pitiful turn out. At least Scotland has tried a new voting system and has made genuine efforts to engage outside the chattering classes (ie us)

    Lastly, Tommy? A man of the people? Radical in the mould of John MacLean? Are you on the wind up?

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    18. 02 Dec 2009 09:57denmylne said

    Perhaps if we had an independent scotland, the MP's who wriggle orf to London would stay.? how may scots MPS have held important positions in westminster? where is this dearth of talant you mentioned?

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    19. 02 Dec 2009 10:05weeminger said

    On the one hand you have the opposition argument against a referendum. They say the people don't want it - well then, what are you scared of, have the referendum.

    On the other hand if the people had wanted a referendum, and knowing this was in the SNP manifesto, then surely they would have voted the SNP in as a majority and the SNP would have no issues getting the bill through.

    Like others I feel there is a lack of good politicians generally. Of course the most notable of the last week being Ms Hyslop, who I'm afraid did make me cringe with her seeming refusal to accept any responsibility for her departments failings, and I say that as someone who actually perceived a little progress being made.

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    20. 06 Dec 2009 16:29Phantom Raspberry Blower said

    The quality of the politicians will steadily improve over time. Be thankful there's not the same setup as they have in Belfast, which by trying to make foes work together, both with the power to pull out at any time, has produced an inherently unstable system that cannot last over the long term.

    I'd go for dull incompetence any day.

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